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Camp Loll faces a great threat to its program and mission. As a result of a recent lawsuit driven by the Sierra Club, non Profit groups, such as the BSA, are now required to obtain Commercial Use Authorization (CUA) permits. This gives the Concession Management Division of the Park power to dictate the parameters of park use, and in the case of Camp Loll, to destroy all we have worked for, and all the benefits that our back country use brings to the thousands of young people that access Yellowstone through Loll’s program. I cannot overstate the danger.

With NO WARNING or discussion the Concessions Division of Yellowstone has chosen to use the permit process to end Camp Loll’s partnership with Yellowstone National Park. Included among the permit conditions are requirements that will make hikes to Union Falls, Scout Pool, and Terrace Falls impossible for all but a tiny fraction of our campers.

First, it is important to state that Camp Loll has long led the way in adherence to the majority of the parameters set for in the authorization permit. Ten of the twelve points of compliance are either already Loll program elements or could easily be satisfied.

#1. Loll already trains its guides in backcountry guidelines and promotes all park regulations and programs. We go further to explain and practice these conservation procedures.

#2. We have taken responsibility for our campers during their trips into the park for years.

#3. We have sought to protect the quality of other visitors’ experience through training that becomes part of our scouts’ life-long commitment to wilderness ethics.

#4. We have ensured all our campers have proper safety equipment, and clothing.

#5. Our guides and Rangers have been trained in first aid and CPR for years.

#6. We have reported all accidents immediately.

#7 (see below)

#8. (see below)

#9. WE always use established trails, helped to build them and have helped to maintain them for years.

#10. WAG Bags for packing out human waste – we have always followed the parks policies in dealing with sanitation and will gladly follow this NEW requirement.

#11. Ask that we contact Bechler Station with numbers of trips and visitors one to five days prior to our use., and supply monthly and seasonal reports. For years we have kept careful record of these numbers and supplied them to the park. Our hike plan policy will make it easy for us to supply this information to the ranger.

#12. Simply states that any violation of this agreement will result in its termination.

It should be noted that Camp Loll goes far beyond the letter of these laws. They barely scratch the surface of the opportunities in practical application that Loll provides to facilitating the spirit of Yellowstone Park’s purpose of preserving wilderness and natural national treasures by training a generation of supporters of backcountry ethics and practices that are applied throughout the lives of our campers in every wilderness they will ever visit.

Second, to points # 7 and # 8.

#7 States – All day use groups shall be no larger than 15 visitors (one guide and 14 clients) and shall be spaced at least ½ mile apart at all times. This is an arbitrary number. I have no idea where the Concessions Division came up with it. Such caprice demonstrates a total lack of understanding of the nature of our units or the service Camp Loll provides to young people that are America’s most precious resource, and to the Park itself, by guiding them into it.

#8 States – Permittee is allowed to guide one group of 15 to Union Falls, one group of 15 to Ouzel Pool [Scout Pool] and two groups of 15 each to Terrace Falls on any given day. . . This policy shows not only a complete lack of understanding of the processes and services rendered by Loll’s visits to these locations, but is in reality proof that the permit is simply being used as a mechanism to exclude hundreds of trained, well behaved, and low impact users from the back country, not because they do any harm but in order to meet some uninformed agenda. Realize that the group of 15 that goes to Union Falls will also necessarily also be the group that goes to Scout Pool, and that 3 of the hikers will have to be guides and 6 of them adult leaders and you have a hike day which will allow 36 young people to visit these treasures, natural wonders which are as much their birthright as any other user of the backcountry. Realize also that the hundreds who would thus be deprived of the visit would also not receive the desire to protect and the motivation and knowledge to serve these wonders.

These two points, #7 and #8 are clearly aimed at eviscerating Loll’s program as it relates to Yellowstone National Park. This would not only be a disservice to Loll but to Yellowstone and to America, conservation, and our nation’s and our world’s future.


1. Camp Loll has made Yellowstone better by our presence. Not only do Loll hikers strictly follow backcountry rules and policies by greatly reducing their impact on the resource, but they clean up the messes left by others.

2. Camp Loll is training generations to love and protect not only Yellowstone but all national parks and wilderness areas. Through the truths they learn on the trail with their staff guide and unit leaders they learn life lessons that will improve backcountry use in Yellowstone and elsewhere forever.

3. We have followed the wise and just direction of the Park Service for years. With the support of the Bechler Ranger, the Park Service, and the Forest Service, Camp Loll has implemented a host of practices to reduce our impact. We have accepted, implemented; indeed helped develop; actions that have actually improved the backcountry. Our guides have prevented lost hikers for years, we have taught thousands to walk softly on the land, to show respect to others on the trail, to value their American heritage and their National Parks.

4. Remember also that the outdoor experience, the wonder of Union Falls, the joy that comes from swimming in Scout Pool changes the hearts of the young people that experience it. Yellowstone thus is granted a role in shaping lives for the better. The greatest experience of many a young life will forever be bound to the values of Scouting and the magic of Yellowstone. Excluding thousands from this opportunity will damage youth, and inestimably diminish the worth of Yellowstone to America and its future.

5. These resources belong to all Americans. All Americas have the right to enjoy them and the duty to protect them. How can young people learn their responsibilities without experiencing their rights. Camp Loll’s hiking programs give Yellowstone the opportunity to fulfill its mandate to preserve and provide America’s great treasure to its greatest resource, it’s youth. Do the rights of those who despise the presence of these boys and girls, by definition – a few selfish exploiters of their own solitude, outweigh the blessing due the many who would thus be deprived of their opportunity to experience and grow from the opportunities these wonderful locations offer?
Call to action:

Camp Loll was promised that if they complied to impact management guidelines, use of the resource would not be curtailed. Now without warning or discussion, with no effort on the part of those who have made this decision to understand how and what Camp Loll does, they have crafted this attack. WE MUST ACT.


How: Write letters.

Everyone who can, must write letters or send e-mails to those who can influence this act. I have it on the best authority that if we mobilize we will be able to turn back this policy.

Here are a few suggestions for letters:
1. Loll’s hikes have had a positive effect – on those who take them who are thus made better people, on the wilderness by teaching love for and understanding of the outdoors, on the lives of youth thus steered into positive actions and values.

2. Camp Loll has followed every reasonable requirement and has thus greatly reduced its impact while actually improving the condition of the places we visit

3. The young people guided to these places have a right to enjoy them and only by exercising that right will they accept the responsibilities of wilderness protection that result from such experiences. There are a few who would restrict the wilderness to their own use – excluding in the name of solitude others who seek the same pleasure they crave. Such short sighted selfishness will do great harm to the wilderness, and to those who are deprived of its use. These people are not with Yellowstone park. For years the park service has worked with us to provide the opportunity for thousands of youth and leaders to experience and learn about wilderness protection. We want to support and work with them. The park service is under pressure and we need to let them know that we support them in their efforts to make Yellowstone available to all people, now and in the future.

4. Please be nice to Yellowstone. We are all on the same side. This is just a terrible mistake. If things do not shift there will be plenty of time for anger and further action.

When – We must act at once. If we can flood those who can force the right choice before the way is closed, we can insure these opportunities to generations.

Who: Write to our representatives in congress, to the Yellowstone Park Superintendent, and to Judy M. Jennings, Chief – Concessions Management Division.

Superintendent Suzanne Lewis:
P. O. Box 168
Yellowstone National Park
Wyoming 82190

Judy M. Jennings
Chief, Concessions Management Division
P. O. Box 168
Yellowstone National Park
Wyoming 82190

Below is the Congressional Delegation from Utah. If you are from another state, please write your own congressmen. By using your computer you can access their addresses and all can access e-mail and other communications links to their senators and representatives.

Senator Orrin Hatch:
Washington DC Office
104 Hart Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
Tel: (202) 224-5251
Fax: (202) 224-6331

Senator Bob Bennett:
431 Dirksen Senate Office Building
Washington DC 20510-4403
Phone: (202) 224-5444

Representatives Rob Bishop:
Washington office:
123 Cannon Building
Washington, DC 20515
ph: 202-225-0453fax: 202-225-5857

Representative Jim Matheson:
2434 Rayburn HOB
Washington, DC 20515
Phone - (202) 225-3011 Fax - (202) 225-5638

Representative Jason Chaffetz:
Washington, DC Office
1032 Longworth HOB
Washington, D.C. 20515
Phone: (202) 225-7751Fax: (202) 225-5629

Note: I have a chance to meet with Representative Rob Bishop on February 16th. If he has received hundreds of letters from Loll supporters by then, it will open an opportunity to talk with him from a position of strength.

We Love High Adventure

We Love Yellowstone. . .

So we will defend,

Wednesday High Adventure Day

To the very end!!


Taylor and Jodi said...

Jodi and I will write our letters tonight. This would be a tragedy.

Relznuk said...

This is indeed concerning. I will fashion a letter immediately.

Mons Peregrinus said...

I'll write letters immediatley and contact Loll supporters in my community.

Lysis said...

Thank you all.

Dan said...

I'll write asap, this would be a disaster.

Lysis said...

Thank you Dan. I always appreciate your strength. We had 131 visits to The Agora yesterday. If people write, we will have a chance

Reach Upward said...

I have my five letters in their envelopes and ready to drop in the mail on the way to work tomorrow. I emailed about four dozen Scouting friends. Hopefully some of these folks will write and/or forward the email to others. I put my own blog post out about this. And I sent a letter to the editor of the Std Examiner that I hope won't get us into too much trouble.

Mountain Man said...

Is this the applicable federal code that the CUA is under: ?
It's from 1997, so I don't know for certain. Section 306c (limitations) says that the agreements only apply to commercial operations. Does the BSA count as a commercial operation?
In any case, I will be writing. I firmly believe that I have been able to give Georgia scouts a good wilderness experience based on my time guiding at Loll. Not only does High Adventure day expose scouts to nature, it trains the next generation of outdoor leadership. Crazy NPS.

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Thank you for this very energetic post. I have read it an ask all who read hear to do the same. Many in Yellowstone are supportive of Camp Loll, and it is our goal to give them support in their efforts to continue to serve the future as they are indeed desirous to do. I appreciate all the important links and valuable information you post provides. Thank you for your support.

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Mountain Man,

The effect of the law suite sighted above was to require all non-profits to obtain such permits. We have nothing against the permit process, but feel the camp should have been involved in its development. As they were not – many important point which would surely have made adjustments to the permits parameters were not involved.

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I went on a hike and it was the funniest thing of the whole camp!! I would hate for others to not enjoy this! It would be a tragedy!

Anonymous said...

I am a former National Park Ranger who started my career in Yellowstone. I've also been a Scoutmaster several times. While I don't have any idea of NPS motivation behind this, I'm not sure I agree with it. I need more details from both sides before I can decide. (I have had some terrible experiences with Scout groups while I was rangering. But I also had many great ones, too.)

Here is a link to a very fine website called National Parks Traveler. I suggest you send your information to them. They don't shy away from controversy and contact with them might help either your cause or may help obtain more information.

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Thank you so much for posting. I hope you will follow this effort through to the end and find the details on both sides. I agree with you that many scouts do behave terribly in the back country. I hope you can see that this is the very reason that we need the program presently in place at Camp Loll. Please contact any of you colleagues who have had experience with Camp Loll. I guarantee you they will attest to the excellence of our groups’ behavior in the back country. I would further suggest that it is not only scouts that behave terribly in the back country. Many do, but once they are educated, once they are giving knowledge, understanding, and experience they will not harm the treasures they have come to love. Thus it is important that they be given the opportunity – one which Camp Loll offers better than any other place, in my opinion - to have this chance to learn it right.

Please watch for the detailed outline of our program which I will soon post above.

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We picked up on your post:

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Kevin Richard,

Thank you for picking up or discussion, and for th artical you wrote.

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Ms. Judy Jennings' email is:

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