I had hoped I wouldn’t have to do this, but I just can’t help it. I read the following editorial in the Salt Lake Tribune this morning, November 19, 2009. It could be a parody, a joke of some kind, but I don’t think so.
Afghan war
U. S. should not commit more troops
The cost in blood and treasure is too great. The chance of success, however defined, is too remote. For these reasons, President Obama must not commit more U. S. soldiers to an open-ended war in Afghanistan. Rather, he should begin the diplomatic and military preparations to bring U. S. forces home.
Everyone understands the stakes. Everyone regrets that Osama bin Laden and the other leaders of al-Qaida have eluded capture or death at U.S hands. Everyone understands that as the Americans and their allies leave Afghanistan, civil war will certainly ensue and the Taliban could once again emerge victorious, creating in their wake a new safe haven for al-Qaida and other terrorists.
It is obvious, as well, that Islamist radical pose an existential threat not only to Afghanistan but to neighboring Pakistan, a nuclear-armed state.
But the fundamental; question is whether the American army in Afghanistan helps or hurts U. S. security. It has become increasingly apparent that the ongoing eight-year war there cements hatred of the United States among the Afghans because the Americans are viewed as infidel invaders and occupiers who support a corrupt and illegitimate government. The fraudulent election that returned Hamid Karzai to power has revealed it to be so.
Nor does there appear to be much chance that the war lords the United States put in power during the fighting to topple the Taliban can be dislodged and replaced by a democratically elected government based on some western model or even an Afghan one. Without a legitimate government as a partner, the U.S. effort to pacify the country and somehow protect the civilian population from the predation of the Taliban and tribal warlords is, if not hopeless, a very long shot.
Without a claim on the loyalty of the people, Karzai’s government cannot reasonably be expected to field a notional army and police force capable of protecting them.
Gen. Stanly McChrystal’s request for up to 40,000 more U.S. troops, in addition to the 68,00 already committed, is an honest plan to turn back the Taliban tide and shore up Karzai’s government, but given the political facts of Afghanistan, it is hard to see how it can work.
In addition to the human cost, the price of that effort would be an additional $40 billion to $54 billion a year. Given the weak U.S. economy and trillion-dollar federal deficits, that is more than the American people can afford.
It’s time to plan to get out.
Now with my commentary:
Afghan war
U. S. should not commit more troops
The cost in blood and treasure is too great. The chance of success, however defined, is too remote. For these reasons, President Obama must not commit more U. S. soldiers to an open-ended war in Afghanistan. Rather, he should begin the diplomatic and military preparations to bring U. S. forces home.
Everyone understands the stakes. Everyone regrets that Osama bin Laden and the other leaders of al-Qaida have eluded capture or death at U.S hands. Everyone understands that as the Americans and their allies leave Afghanistan, civil war will certainly ensue and the Taliban could once again emerge victorious, creating in their wake a new safe haven for al-Qaida and other terrorists.
*So let’s just let these things happen? Let’s remember what the Taliban did to the people of Afghanistan: women buried alive for not wearing the right clothing, girls killed for studying, widowed women murdered for trying to get jobs to feed themselves and their children, ancient statues of the Buddha blown up, people beaten to death for listening to music, people executed for teaching or converting to Christianity etc. etc. etc. And don’t we remember what they did to America the last time they had a base in Afghanistan? 9/11 – how can that be better than war?
It is obvious, as well, that Islamist radical pose an existential threat not only to Afghanistan but to neighboring Pakistan, a nuclear-armed state.
*We won’t need to worry about Iran giving the terrorists nukes – they will have their own. Do we really have any doubt where Allah will tell them were to set them off?
But the fundamental; question is whether the American army in Afghanistan helps or hurts U. S. security. It has become increasingly apparent that the ongoing eight-year war there cements hatred of the United States among the Afghans because the Americans are viewed as infidel invaders and occupiers who support a corrupt and illegitimate government.
*As if they didn’t hate us before? Wasn’t 9/11 before we liberated Afghanistan? How much can people hate anyway? The fanatics imagine that God has told them to hate and kill us – is there anything we can do that would make them hate us more. Also the people of Afghanistan, who are not terrorists, want US support and help. It is reasonable to assume that anyone would prefer US liberation to Taliban domination. What Afghans fear most is that we will leave them.
The fraudulent election that returned Hamid Karzai to power has revealed it to be so.
Nor does there appear to be much chance that the war lords the United States put in power during the fighting to topple the Taliban can be dislodged and replaced by a democratically elected government based on some western model or even an Afghan one.
*Karzai’s government isn’t legitimate? What? Was ACORN over there registering dead people? Karzai was constitutionally inaugurated today – note that the people did get to vote for him - something that Mullah Omar never offered them.
Without a legitimate government as a partner, the U.S. effort to pacify the country and somehow protect the civilian population from the predation of the Taliban and tribal warlords is, if not hopeless, a very long shot.
*Was Stalin’s monster dictatorship in the USSR a disqualifier for our support of that nation against the Nazis? According to the Tribune’s logic, we should have left Russia to the Germans, France too for that matter – at least the Vichy variety. We have no memory of history. It’s very hard to find perfect governments to ally with in this world. Just how legitimate is the government of Red China? I must now expect the Tribune to lecture Obama about meeting with Wu.
Without a claim on the loyalty of the people, Karzai’s government cannot reasonably be expected to field a notional army and police force capable of protecting them.
*It seems that China is able to field an army without any legitimacy of government – same with North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela; do I really need to go back to the etc.’s? Seems most of these police states in the world have pretty effective police departments as well.
Gen. Stanly McChrystal’s request for up to 40,000 more U.S. troops, in addition to the 68,00 already committed, is an honest plan to turn back the Taliban tide and shore up Karzai’s government, but given the political facts of Afghanistan, it is hard to see how it can work.
*Should we give up because it’s hard? I wonder what George Washington and the boys at Valley Forge would think of that advice? It seems that the Normandy landing was a little difficult, not to mention the “surge” in Iraq. War is difficult by definition. Easy is writing editorials for a third rate city rag! What kind of county is the Tribune advocating? Is their advice to all people in all circumstances – if the going gets tough give it up?
In addition to the human cost, the price of that effort would be an additional $40 billion to $54 billion a year. Given the weak U.S. economy and trillion-dollar federal deficits, that is more than the American people can afford.
*And how much will the next terror attack cost, what will it cost to rebuild an American city nuked by a Pakistani engineered device? Can anyone remember what 9/11 did to our economy? How much blood and treasure will it cost to go back to Afghanistan to get the terrorist – which the Tribune admits will develop – after their next mass slaughter of Americans, or other western and free people? We are asked to spend trillions for health care for people who won’t buy their own but we are told it is too much to make an investment in world peace, freedom, and the defense of our very way of life. I was brought up believing that Americans would pay millions (billions) for defense and not a cent for tribute. Who is the Tribune working for? What country are they talking about?
I can’ t wait till the Tribune go out of business. I’d cancel my subscription if I had one. I got the paper I read this morning for free – it wasn’t worth the price.
It’s time to plan get out.
*That’s cut and run. Let millions die, let fanaticism and fear grow, let’s be stupid.